he had a very sharp exchange with senator lindsey graham of south carolina who asked what senators by name up here are intimidate bid the jewish lobby? senator hagel didn't want to name any. he had an even sharper exchange with john mccain, who said to him, i want to know specifically here whether you believe you were wrong in saying that president bush's surge in iraq was the stupidest thing done. he couldn't get an answer out of senator hagel in a hearing where chuck hagel had chance on the record to make his best case for his nomination, i don't think he has yet persuaded the key people he needs to get, particularly john mccain. >> any surprises? a lot of what i listened to -- saw john mccain giving him a thorough going-over -- i think a lot of people wanted to see that. any surprises? any one specifically tougher on him? >> i think what was most important was the mccain-hagel exchange. if john mccain comes out in favor of "the haguele" nomination, it's over. if senator mccain says, i'm against this nomination and not only against im, i'm going to fight it, then they're in real tro